NVIDIA Highlights DirectX 12 Strengths Over AMD

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NVIDIA today confirmed with Legit Reviews that they will be supporting the DirectX 12 API on all the DX11-class GPUs it has shipped. This means that all cards using Fermi, Kepler and Maxwell GPU cores will be supported along with all future GPUs.

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NVIDIA was quick to point out that only 40% of AMD Radeon video cards will support either DirectX 12 or their own Mantle API. This is because AMD has announced that for the time being, only Graphics Core Next (GCN) enabled products will support either. This means that many of AMD’s DirectX 11 cards will not be supporting either. Legit Reviews spoke with AMD at GDC last week and they said they aren’t sure exactly what will or won’t support DirectX 12 as they haven’t fully made up their minds yet. It will be interesting to see how this plays out!

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NVIDIA says that over 70% of gaming PCs are now DX11 based. NVIDIA has more than 50% market share for DX11-based gaming systems in general and an impressive 65% on systems with discrete graphics on systems. Using data derived from the latest Steam Hardware Survey, NVIDIA discovered just 14% of the DirectX 11 cards on the AMD Radeon side will be able to support Mantle whereas 79% of the cards in general are ready to support DirectX 12. It looks like NVIDIA is hinting that Mantle is on the way out, but they need to also keep in mind that the final release of DirectX 12 will be coming during the Holiday 2015 time frame. That gives AMD about 1.5 years of time to tout Mantle support!
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  • Papizach Akbar

    i’d like sum1 from official AMD or nVidia guys here, as MS theirself only showed DX 12′s advantages.

  • rav55

    Mantle is open source so Microsoft can port it as DirectX 12. But it can not outperform Mantle simply because leagcy hardware is going to cripple it.

  • rav55

    Directx 12 IS Mantle dummied down to run on nVidia/Intel legacy silicon.

    • aliquis

      Just as you are random commenter dumbed down to.. you?

      • (>_<)

        Really after 5 months that’s the best you got??? RTFLOL, talk about dumbed down?

  • rav55

    DirectX 12 does not exist yet. SO nothing can support it.
    What nVidia rubbish.
    nVidia is VERY, VERY SCARED. They are so scared that they are swallowing vaporware.

  • Silviu

    That’s why Nvidia is the supreme leader of graphics card industry not to mention gaming!
    Sadly no competition :(
    Man i was having hope for AMD but now i have to be agree with majority AMD do suck!

    • Papizach Akbar

      agree with sucks on 3D CAD and render part (CUDA to open CL), disagree with “supreme leader” bcoz not all game “the way its meant to b play”

  • nvidiasucks

    Nvidia will not support DX12 on Vermin (Fermi) and Kraplar (Keplar), but will only have some feature and some will be via software. Nvidia is so deceptive and should be sued for misleading its customers.

    Shareholders beware

    BTW If DX12 comes on MS Win9, then the share will be couple (5-10%) percent vs Mantle 20% to 40% (Plus 100% Consoles) by the time DX12 comes.

  • nezuko

    Well, since Mantle is not OS specific binding, or some hardware specific binding, so it’s save to consider mantle has great success over dx12. basically, any game dev want to optimize their game to multiplatform, they use mantle as all console game supports amd mantle and PC ofcourse. With dx12, you can only get xbox family and pc.

    • Anon

      The consoles supporting Mantle was just speculation. It’s not actually true.

  • Anereh

    Older cards from both vendors are getting quite sluggish right now my GTX560Ti is not that great at playing anymore I’m willing to suggest that many of us who have Fermi cards still are looking for an upgrade right now. AMD uses DirectX12 support as a selling point for GCN cards Nvidia should have done the same for Kepler or Maxwell to help encourage us off the older Fermi based cards.

    I’m very surprised that Nvidia is not pushing DirectX12 as an exlsuvie on there newer cards as well. AMD is going to get sales from this Nvidia well maybe not now if DirectX12 gives my 560Ti a nice enough boost I will hang onto it. Someone in Nvidias marketing just made a mistake. AMD will now tout GCN DirectX12 all day to get people who have there older cards to buy a new one.

    • basroil

      It’s actually brilliant marketing, because it will get people to say “nvidia’s supporting my gpu for years, it’s a great buy”. When DX12 games come out and their older GPUs are slow compared to the new ones they will be more likely to see nvidia as the long term investment option. Most people don’t purchase cards every other year after all!

      • Anereh

        Where not talking every year though these Fermi cards are old now very old. 400 series cards are infact 4 years old as of today which is almost an eternity for hardware & the 500 series there almost as old as they launched in the same year.

        By the time DirectX 12 launches if where to belive the time frames people are guessing 1.5 years from now that turns into a 5 – 5.5 years old card that there asking people to still use on top? Even with the support & the performance boost that’s quite a stretch to consider for a piece of hardware.

        It’s great to keep supporting hardware you do have a point that most people including myself don’t buy a new graphics card every year & added support is a selling point but here were talking 5+ years gap. I think it’s time Nvidia said we would like to sell you a new card maybe even offer a rebate for sending in the old one?

        • YOUDIEMOFO

          Couldn’t have said it better.

      • Marcus Mendez

        it will get people to say…errrr…yes i am sure some people, those who are uninformed …to do as you say…

        • basroil

          Quite the contrary, well informed people buy hardware based on longterm needs in terms of what they can afford. A 560Ti from back in the day does very well in modern games, and people knew that it would. What nvidia is convincing people to do is to buy the most expensive card they can afford today, knowing that in 5 years time they can still use it, even if it’s a bit slower than mainstream cards by that point.

          AMD has always had that issue, where they brand for now and convince people that their card will be worthless in 3 years. While people buy more frequently, they end up buying cheaper, low profit margin products like the 65XX and then 260x rather than buying one good card like the 7950 which has higher profit margins overall.

          The brand building Nvidia is doing is brilliant, and will practically dominate the professional industry by doing so.

  • Richard Diaz

    I think what some people don’t realize is once Maxwell and Pirate Islands have come out the Fermi and VLIW5-4 cards would be 3-5 years old (depending on when you bought them). Though it is good to see Nvidia supporting their Fermi based cards still but realistically these cards no longer have their warranty and their lifecycles are being stretched to their limits by now, being that these cards specially enthusiast cards are most likely replaced within two years.

    And the fact that AMD’s 7970 to 7850 cards (now under the names 280X to 265) will most likely still be found up until this time next year means that they have been out for 3 years! And like Kepler will will support DX12 which is 1.5 years away making them a 4.5 year old design and still relevant just like Keplar (which would be a 4 year old design except GK110). Also note that even if GCN1.0, Fermi and Keplar get support for DX12 more than likely there will be some parts of DX12 that would only be supported by Maxwell and Pirate Islands (which PI will most likely be GCN1.1 with performance and power efficiency enhancements, and if any are the rumored GCN2.0 it will most likely be the R x90X and x60X if AMD follows their current model.

    So the moral here is it’s time to drop your Fermi and VLIW cards and get a GCN or Keplar OR wait a little longer and get a Maxwell and Pirate Islands GPU.

  • campdude

    Just as a joshing side note: 100% of PC’s are not DX 12 compatible as they do not have Windows 9.

    • basroil

      Notice microsoft didn’t say anything about the OS despite both directx 10 and 11 releases stating OS targets

  • basroil

    Very strange that only GCN cards support 12 considering it’s almost entirely a software side improvement (mostly drivers) just like Mantle. Guess buying a 770 now that they are cheap is probably the best bet!

    • Hamish Taylor

      What does that have to do with buying nVidia or AMD now?

      All AMD cards from the last 3 years are GCN, are you planning to go and buy some cards from early 2011?

      • campdude

        DX 12 is supposed to be about a performance boost so older cards might fair well in newer games (obviously not maxing out).

        I am glad I didnt sink my money into getting two 6970′s… i waited for the 7000 series. But there is this little lul’ at the 3 years ago where a 6970 was selling beside a 7970 but obviously cheaper.
        The 6970 is 2 gig card so has some today’s game potential.

        Anyways…It has a lot to do with buying nvidia or AMD today.

        Nvidia seems to be planning driver updates for those cards for DX 12. History has shown a Radeon x1950 pro does not have proper windows 7/8 drivers.

        So eventually your gaming pc turns into office pc for parts the nvidia wins for basic function in windows 9. This makes the customer believe this will be a story most likely for Windows 10… its about pleasing customers.
        A customer may feel comfortable buying Nvidia knowing that they do stuff like this. Leading to the belief that this may happen again with Directx 13. (obviously not all the way back to a GTX 400 series but atleast a GTX 700 series) Even if this is not true it makes you feel like your card will be supported for longer.

        • Hamish Taylor

          The Radeon X1950 came out 8 years ago…

          It is an AGP Video Card for christs sake, the 6200 doesnt have proper Windows 8 drivers either.

        • basroil

          He said 7/8. Windows 7 came out almost exactly 3 years after that graphics card, which is ridiculous when Nvidia just finally dropped support for a card that came out over 5 years ago (GeForce 200 series turns 6 in Sept), which means it supported the release of Windows 8 despite it being older than the X1950 pro was. In fact, the GeForce 7 series predated the x1950 pro by a year AND fully supports Windows 8/8.1

        • basroil

          http://www.nvidia.com/object/win7-winvista-64bit-307.83-whql-driver.html <— there goes your comment a second time, GeForce 6 series drivers for Windows 8!

        • Hamish Taylor

          Aaand if you would kindly refer to the “Supported Products” list, you would see that those drivers only support the 6xxx series cards with PCIe, listed as “Turbocache” cards for cards which were originally AGP.

        • basroil

          Here’s a quote: “Supported Products …6800
          XT, 6800 XE, 6800 Ultra, 6800 Series GPU, 6800 LE, 6800 GT, 6800 GS/XT,
          6800 GS, 6800, 6700 XL, 6610 XL, 6600 VE, 6600 LE, 6600 GT, 6600, 6500,
          6250, 6200 TurboCache, 6200SE TurboCache, 6200 LE, 6200 A-LE, 6200,
          6150SE nForce 430, 6150LE / Quadro NVS 210S, 6150 LE, 6150, 6100 nForce
          420, 6100 nForce 405, 6100 nForce 400, 6100″

          The 6800 series came out in both PCIe and AGP, and both versions are supported by the driver. The 6800 series came out in early 2004, which means a 9 year driver support, as opposed to AMD’s 3 or so years! No need to lie to protect AMD, it’s a known issue with them.

        • Hamish Taylor

          Both versions WERE supported, but not anymore, the cards you listed there are the PCI-e variants of the cards, you will notice that none of the cards there are the AGP variants.

        • basroil

          No, that HAS BOTH VARIANTS WHERE APPLICABLE.

          Why? Aside from the 6200 Turbocache edition, all cards are natively AGP x8, any used a PCIe to AGP x8 adaptor on the board to drive the card. For all intents and purposes the driver had to see the device as an AGP x8 device even though it was running on PCIe. There was a huge storm when nvidia announced that, with pro-AMD side claiming that nvidia was going to suck because of the lack of native PCIe (turned out the AGP x8 interface wasn’t really saturated anyway, so PCIe or not didn’t matter in the end).

          And support for all 6 series cards (and 7) stopped in 2013 with the release of 307 drivers. That’s 9 years of support, which was enough to have those cards see four modern Windows OSes, and a total of nine Windows OSes (95 and up) were supported on the platform. It’s actually pretty crazy when you think about it, the 6 series was a pretty damn boring release, but it stands time as the most widely supported video card in Nvidia’s history!

        • campdude

          I had a x1950 pro PCIEx16

        • campdude

          I had a x1950 pro PCIEx16

      • basroil

        As campdude said, AMD is claiming GCN is capable, but whether or not they support it in driver is a completely different thing. Mantle was supposed to work with all GCN cards, but as of yet not all cards have stable drivers. The “huge performance gains” were also limited to GCN+ (290X), with GCN cards getting lower gains than driver optimizations usually give. The chance that even current GCN+ will work as intended is iffy at best. And considering Microsoft only showed off the demo with Nvidia, we should expect nvidia oriented improvements at least in the short term.